can you checm the last couple of chats - check the central database
2026-07-04 10:10:06
ASSISTANT (hermes, glm-5.1)
2026-07-04 10:10:06
TOOL (hermes, glm-5.1)
[Tool: session_search]
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2026-07-04 10:10:06
ASSISTANT (hermes, glm-5.1)
Here are the last 3 sessions:
1. **Cron job** (Jul 1, 2026) — A scheduled cron job, 42 messages
2. **Building a New Trading Algo** (Jun 30, 2026) — 68 messages, seems like a substantial session about building a trading algo
3. **OpenAlgo Trading Bot Development** (Jun 29, 2026) — 28 messages, about developing a trading bot for OpenAlgo
Want me to dive into any of these? I can scroll through the messages to find specific details — what are you looking for?
2026-07-04 10:10:06
USER (hermes, glm-5.1)
tell me about chat 1 and chat 2
2026-07-04 10:11:45
ASSISTANT (hermes, glm-5.1)
2026-07-04 10:11:45
TOOL (hermes, glm-5.1)
[Tool: session_search]
{"error": "around_message_id 1 not in session_id cron_df11ef52666d_20260701_180022", "success": false}
2026-07-04 10:11:45
TOOL (hermes, glm-5.1)
[Tool: session_search]
{"error": "around_message_id 1 not in session_id 20260630_180919_5fab69", "success": false}
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ASSISTANT (hermes, glm-5.1)
2026-07-04 10:11:45
TOOL (hermes, glm-5.1)
[Tool: session_search]
{"success": true, "mode": "discover", "query": "trading algo", "results": [{"session_id": "20260630_180919_5fab69", "when": "June 30, 2026 at 06:09 PM", "source": "cli", "model": "glm-5.1", "title": "Building a New Trading Algo", "matched_role": "user", "match_message_id": 39268, "snippet": "there is multi question in the md file which can help us to build new >>>algo<<< for >>>trading<<< ", "bookend_start": [{"id": 39250, "role": "user", "content": "hi", "timestamp": 1782823194.404746}, {"id": 39251, "role": "assistant", "content": "Hey! What can I help you with today?", "timestamp": 1782823194.4323466}, {"id": 39252, "role": "user", "content": "lets refer to the prompts for making a new algo'", "timestamp": 1782823245.6307936}], "messages": [{"id": 39263, "role": "assistant", "content": "", "timestamp": 1782823245.8160036, "tool_calls": [{"id": "call_1fzxd6cd", "call_id": "call_1fzxd6cd", "response_item_id": "fc_1fzxd6cd", "type": "function", "function": {"name": "mcp_shoonya_get_prompt", "arguments": "{\"name\":\"create_strategy\"}"}}]}, {"id": 39265, "role": "assistant", "content": "No specific prompts exist on the MCP server. Let me check if there's a design reference for the morning sniper (the most recent bot) that could serve as a template for creating a new algo:", "timestamp": 1782823245.8196669, "tool_calls": [{"id": "call_czv9v1qw", "call_id": "call_czv9v1qw", "response_item_id": "fc_czv9v1qw", "type": "function", "function": {"name": "skill_view", "arguments": "{\"name\":\"openalgo-vps-troubleshooting\",\"file_path\":\"references/morning-sniper-design.md\"}"}}]}, {"id": 39267, "role": "assistant", "content": "Got it. Here's a summary of what's available for building a new trading algo on this VPS:\n\n---\n\n**Available resources for creating a new algo:**\n\n1. **Shoonya MCP tools** (connected right now) — 35+ tools for orders, positions, quotes, option chain, Greeks, historical data, margin calc, etc.\n\n2. **OpenAlgo REST APIs** — Quotes, positionbook, orderbook, placeorder, funds, etc. at:\n - Shoonya: `https://shoonya.openalgo.theworkpc.com/api/v1/`\n - Flattrade: `https://flattrade.openalgo.theworkpc.com/api/v1/`\n - Kotak: `https://kotak.openalgo.theworkpc.com/api/v1/`\n\n3. **Existing bot patterns** (reference implementations):\n - **Morning Sniper** (`/home/ubuntu/bots/morning_sniper/`) — VIDYA+Renko, one-shot, multi-broker, config-driven PROFILES\n - **Claude Bot / Unified** (`/home/ubuntu/bots/Claude_bot/`) — multi-symbol strategy\n - **LT 3-Candle** (`/home/ubuntu/bots/three_candle_bot/`) — dual-broker data flow\n\n4. **Design patterns from the skill**:\n - Config-driven `PROFILES` list (symbol, broker_exec, broker_candle, expiry, lot_size, etc.)\n - Per-symbol SQLite DB\n - LIMIT orders only (never MARKET — Shoonya drops them)\n - Entry: LTP+3, Exit: LTP-3\n - Pre-flight broker check before trading\n - Exit retry cap: 2 attempts, then Telegram escalation\n - One-shot per d
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ASSISTANT (hermes, glm-5.1)
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TOOL (hermes, glm-5.1)
[Tool: session_search]
{"success": true, "mode": "discover", "query": "scheduled cron job", "results": [{"session_id": "cron_df11ef52666d_20260601_180052", "when": "June 01, 2026 at 06:00 PM", "source": "cron", "model": "glm-5.1", "title": null, "matched_role": "user", "match_message_id": 38434, "snippet": "...You are running as a >>>scheduled<<< >>>cron<<< >>>job<<<. DELIVERY: Your final response will be automatically delivered to the user — do NOT use send_message or try to deliver the output yourself. Just produce your report/output as your final response...", "bookend_start": [], "messages": [{"id": 38434, "role": "user", "content": "[IMPORTANT: You are running as a scheduled cron job. DELIVERY: Your final response will be automatically delivered to the user — do NOT use send_message or try to deliver the output yourself. Just produce your report/output as your final response and the system handles the rest. SILENT: If there is genuinely nothing new to report, respond with exactly \"[SILENT]\" (nothing else) to suppress delivery. Never combine [SILENT] with content — either report your findings normally, or say [SILENT] and nothing more.]\n\nCheck if Flattrade broker is currently logged in (has a non-revoked auth token in its database). If yes, trigger the master contract download + sweep to refresh expired contracts. If not logged in, skip silently. Run: python3 /home/ubuntu/scripts/flattrade_master_contract_refresh.py", "timestamp": 1780317256.1827478, "anchor": true}, {"id": 38435, "role": "assistant", "content": "", "timestamp": 1780317256.1927493, "tool_calls": [{"id": "call_utc9rgjg", "call_id": "call_utc9rgjg", "response_item_id": "fc_utc9rgjg", "type": "function", "function": {"name": "execute_code", "arguments": "{\"code\":\"from hermes_tools import terminal\\n\\n# First, check if Flattrade has a non-revoked auth token in its database\\ncheck_result = terminal(command=\\\"python3 -c \\\\\\\"\\nimport sqlite3, os, glob\\n\\n# Find Flattrade database - common locations\\ndb_paths = glob.glob('/home/ubuntu/**/flattrade*.db', recursive=True) + \\\\\\n glob.findall('/home/ubuntu/**/flattrade*.sqlite', recursive=True) if hasattr(glob, 'findall') else []\\n\\n# Also check common broker database locations\\nimport subprocess\\nresult = subprocess.run(['find', '/home/ubuntu', '-name', '*flattrade*', '-type', 'f'], \\n capture_output=True, text=True, timeout=10)\\nprint('find result:', result.stdout)\\nprint('find stderr:', result.stderr)\\n\\\\\\\"\\\")\\nprint(check_result)\"}"}}]}, {"id": 38437, "role": "assistant", "content": "", "timestamp": 1780317256.1984067, "tool_calls": [{"id": "call_n4luek2x", "call_id": "call_n4luek2x", "response_item_id": "fc_n4luek2x", "type": "function", "function": {"name": "execute_code", "arguments": "{\"code\":\"from hermes_tools import terminal\\n\\n# Check if the script exists first\\nresult = terminal(command=\\\"ls -la /home/ubuntu/scripts/flattrade_master_contract_refresh
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ASSISTANT (hermes, glm-5.1)
Here's a summary of both sessions:
---
## Session 1: Cron Job (Jul 1, 2026) — Flattrade Master Contract Refresh
This was a scheduled cron job that ran the Flattrade master contract refresh script. Key highlights:
- **Login status**: Flattrade was logged in (active auth token found)
- **Contract download**: All 8 CSV files downloaded from Flattrade S3
- **DB upsert**: ~159,554 contracts refreshed across all exchanges (NSE: 3,846, BSE: 7,916, NFO: 82,187, CDS: 11,398, MCX: 15,800, BFO: 39,407)
- **Issues fixed during run**: Wrong Python (needed venv), wrong working directory (fixed with `os.chdir`), DB permissions (ran as `www-data`)
- **Script patched** to auto-chdir to project directory for future cron runs
---
## Session 2: Building a New Trading Algo (Jun 30, 2026)
You were designing a new trading algo. The session covered:
- Started by reviewing available resources: Shoonya MCP tools, OpenAlgo REST APIs, existing bot patterns (Morning Sniper, Claude Bot, LT 3-Candle)
- You pointed to a design questionnaire/template in an MD file for building new algos
- The bot walked through the questions:
- **Question 1**: Symbol/instrument — settled on **SBIN July futures** (`SBIN28JUL26FUT`, lot size 750, NRML product)
- **Question 2**: Broker — you chose **Shoonya** for execution (with Flattrade for daily EOD data, same hybrid pattern as HAL/ULTRACEMCO)
- **Question 3**: Strategy/logic — the session ended at this point where it asked what strategy to use (VIDYA+Renko, 2-candle, or something new)
---
Want me to dig deeper into either session, or pick up where Session 2 left off on the new algo?
2026-07-04 10:11:45
USER (hermes, glm-5.1)
lets go to the bot building - but before that i want to ask - i have taken the subscription of gocharting - can i use it with shoonya
2026-07-04 10:19:06
ASSISTANT (hermes, glm-5.1)
2026-07-04 10:19:06
TOOL (hermes, glm-5.1)
[Tool: session_search]
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I found your previous GoCharting session (Jun 11) where you were learning Lipi Script syntax.
Regarding your question: **Yes, you can use GoCharting with Shoonya.** GoCharting supports multiple Indian brokers for data and trading. Here's what you need to know:
**GoCharting + Shoonya integration:**
- GoCharting has built-in broker integration for several Indian brokers
- Shoonya (Finvasia) is commonly supported on charting platforms
- You'd need to connect your Shoonya account within GoCharting's broker settings using your Shoonya credentials (user ID, password, TOTP/OTP)
**How it connects to bot building:**
- GoCharting is great for **visualizing and testing** your strategy ideas with Lipi Script (indicators like VIDYA, Renko, etc.)
- Your **actual trading bots** (like Morning Sniper) run independently via OpenAlgo/Shoonya API
- You can develop and validate the strategy logic in GoCharting first, then port it to Python for the bot
**The workflow would be:**
1. Build/test indicators in GoCharting with Lipi Script
2. Validate the logic visually on charts
3. Port the same logic to Python for your bot (using OpenAlgo APIs)
Want me to check GoCharting's current broker connection setup, or shall we jump straight into building the new bot? We left off at **Question 3** — what strategy/logic should the new SBIN bot use?
2026-07-04 10:19:06
USER (hermes, glm-5.1)
so the issue is that lipi script is not available for renko VIDYA
2026-07-04 10:21:11
ASSISTANT (hermes, glm-5.1)
Right — that's a real limitation. Lipi Script runs on time-based bars (1m, 5m, D, etc.), not on Renko bricks. So you can't compute VIDYA on Renko brick data within the script itself.
**The problem:** VIDYA+Renko requires calculating VIDYA on the underlying time-series first (to get the directional bias), then checking Renko brick direction for confirmation. Lipi Script can't access Renko brick state from a regular chart script.
**Your options:**
1. **Use GoCharting's built-in Renko chart mode** — switch the chart type to Renko, then overlay a VIDYA indicator on it. This works if GoCharting natively supports Renko as a chart type. The VIDYA would compute on the Renko bricks visually, even if the script doesn't "know" it's on Renko.
2. **Separate the two** — run VIDYA on a 5-min or daily chart in GoCharting to verify the bias logic visually, and verify Renko brick logic separately (or just trust the Python bot's Renko implementation).
3. **Skip GoCharting for this strategy** — your Python bots already implement VIDYA+Renko correctly. Use GoCharting for simpler indicator work, and rely on the bot's own backtesting/logs for the combined strategy.
4. **Build a simple backtest in Python** — I can write a quick Python script that pulls historical data via Shoonya API, computes VIDYA+Renko, and shows you the entry signals. This would give you the visual verification GoCharting can't provide.
Which approach do you prefer? Or should we just move forward with building the new bot — the VIDYA+Renko logic is already battle-tested in Morning Sniper, so we can reuse that pattern.
2026-07-04 10:21:11
USER (hermes, glm-5.1)
how do i tell you that daily VIDya which you are calculating is different fromn LIPI vidya
2026-07-04 10:22:34
ASSISTANT (hermes, glm-5.1)
Good point — two implementations of "VIDYA" can give different results if the formula differs. Let me pull your current Python VIDYA implementation so we can compare it against what GoCharting's Lipi Script would produce.
Now I can see exactly what your bot's VIDYA implementation does. Here's the formula:
**Your bot's VIDYA (from `eod_compute.py`):**
```
VIDYA_PERIOD = 20, VIDYA_SMOOTH = 0.2
For each bar after the warmup:
1. Take last `period` closes
2. Compute CMO = |sum_up - sum_down| / (sum_up + sum_down)
where sum_up = sum of positive price changes, sum_down = sum of absolute negative changes
3. alpha = smoothing * CMO
4. vidya = alpha * close[i] + (1 - alpha) * vidya_prev
```
**Standard Lipi Script VIDYA would be:**
```
length = input(9)
src = input(close)
k = 2 / (length + 1)
vol = abs(stdev(src, length) / sma(src, length))
vidya = na(vidya[1]) ? src : src * k * vol + vidya[1] * (1 - k * vol)
```
These are **two different formulas**:
| | Your Bot | Lipi/Standard |
|---|---|---|
| **Volatility measure** | CMO (Chande Momentum Oscillator) | StdDev / SMA ratio |
| **Smoothing** | 0.2 fixed multiplier | 2/(period+1) EMA constant |
| **Result** | CMO-based adaptive EMA | Volatility-ratio adaptive EMA |
Your bot uses the **original Chande VIDYA** (CMO-based). The standard Lipi Script example uses a **different variant** (stddev/SMA ratio). They will produce different values on the same data.
**How to match them:** You'd need to write a custom Lipi Script that replicates your CMO-based formula exactly. Something like:
```lipi
indicator("VIDYA CMO", overlay=true)
length = input(20, "Period")
smooth = input(0.2, "Smoothing")
src = input(close, "Source")
up = math.max(src - src[1], 0)
dn = math.max(src[1] - src, 0)
sum_up = math.sum(up, length)
sum_dn = math.sum(dn, length)
cmo = math.abs((sum_up - sum_dn) / (sum_up + sum_dn))
alpha = smooth * cmo
vidya = na(vidya[1]) ? src : alpha * src + (1 - alpha) * vidya[1]
plot(vidya, "VIDYA", color=color.green, linewidth=2)
```
This way GoCharting and your bot will show the **same** VIDYA values. Want me to refine this script and test it, or shall we move on to building the new bot?