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2026-04-29T10:58 35 messages c346331c-1ebe-4d67-9...
USER (hermes, deepseek-v4-pro)
i got disconnrcted but were building the new bot .. any ckue
2026-04-29T11:13
ASSISTANT (hermes, deepseek-v4-pro)
Let me pull up the session from April 24 and also check current state.
2026-04-29T11:13
ASSISTANT (hermes, deepseek-v4-pro)
Let me pull up the April 24 session and also check for any new bot drafts.
2026-04-29T11:13
ASSISTANT (hermes, deepseek-v4-pro)
Let me check the April 24 session more closely and look at both bot design docs.
2026-04-29T11:13
ASSISTANT (hermes, deepseek-v4-pro)
Alright, found it. April 24 session — you were asking me to go through both bots, study the checklist, understand the nuances, and then start asking you design questions for the new bot. I had loaded the checklist and the bot design docs but we never actually started the Q&A before you disconnected. I've now read everything fresh: - Both bot design docs (Claude_bot unified_strategy.md and lt_3candle_bot) - The full audit checklist (20 sections, 100+ verification items) - The trading bots comparison doc So let's pick up exactly where we were. I'll ask questions one at a time, starting with the foundation. --- **Question 1: What instrument/underlying do you want the new bot to trade?** Existing bots cover: - Claude_bot: DLF, INFY, INDUSINDBK (multi-symbol, SMMA/RSI) - 3Candle: LT only (Renko VIDYA + 2C pattern) Are you thinking of adding a new symbol, or replacing/upgrading one of the existing setups?
2026-04-29T11:13
USER (hermes, deepseek-v4-pro)
Session: 20260429_095605_48b959 will this help bec wew were quiet on q 10
2026-04-29T11:19
ASSISTANT (hermes, deepseek-v4-pro)
Let me pull up that exact session to see the first 10 questions and your answers.
2026-04-29T11:19
ASSISTANT (hermes, deepseek-v4-pro)
Let me pull up the exact session you mentioned with more detail.
2026-04-29T11:19
ASSISTANT (hermes, deepseek-v4-pro)
The session metadata says we hadn't started yet, but you clearly remember being at Q10. Let me check for any written artifacts from that session and also look for a questionnaire file.
2026-04-29T11:19
ASSISTANT (hermes, deepseek-v4-pro)
Found the actual session file. Let me pull the raw transcript.
2026-04-29T11:19
ASSISTANT (hermes, deepseek-v4-pro)
This is mostly tool definitions. Let me jump to the messages section.
2026-04-29T11:19
ASSISTANT (hermes, deepseek-v4-pro)
Yes! This session transcript is gold. Let me summarize exactly what was established. You went way past Q10 — here's everything locked in: --- **STRATEGY: Morning Sniper (9:17→9:45)** - **5 symbols, broker-mapped**: - SBIN + INDIGO → Flattrade - HAL + TCS → Shoonya - ULTRACEMCO → Kotak - **Expiry**: 26MAY26 - **Logic**: VIDYA computed from previous day's 5-min candles (all OHLC) → build renko → VIDYA anchor for today - **Bias**: At 9:15, price vs VIDYA determines direction. Fixed for the day. - **Entry**: 2 renko bricks forming in bias direction = entry. Poll every 30s till 9:22, then every 1 min. - **Brick size**: 2 (uniform), per-stock you'll provide exact values - **SL**: Fixed ₹, to be determined. All orders LIMIT. - **Profit lock**: ₹2000 across all 5. Ratchet — once ₹2000 touched, floor locked at ₹2000 minimum. - **One shot**: SL hit or profit hit or 9:45 = done for the day. - **DB**: Per-stock SQLite, keyed by underlying (not futures contract), monthly rollover just changes broker symbol - **Live lot sizes retrieved**: SBIN 750, INDIGO 150, HAL 150, and I was in the middle of getting TCS + ULTRACEMCO when the session cut. --- **Q16: ULTRACEMCO on Kotak — CANDLE DATA SOURCE** Kotak has NO historical candle data. Same problem we hit with LT 3Candle. ULTRACEMCO needs a secondary broker to fetch yesterday's 5-min candles for VIDYA calculation and today's intraday renko. Which broker should feed ULTRACEMCO's candles — Flattrade or Shoonya?
2026-04-29T11:19
USER (hermes, deepseek-v4-pro)
answer me - you have the skill to retrieve lot sizes
2026-04-29T11:24
ASSISTANT (hermes, deepseek-v4-pro)
I don't see a dedicated lot-size skill saved yet — it was mid-build when the session cut. But I have the OpenAlgo API key and methodology from that session. Let me just query TCS and ULTRACEMCO right now.
2026-04-29T11:24
USER (hermes, deepseek-v4-pro)
Now I have a thorough understanding of both bots, all three brokers, and the strategy audit checklist. Let me give you a crisp summary of what I found, then we'll start the Q&A. WHAT I STUDIED: Bot 1 — Claude_Bot (SMMA + RSI) - 4 multi-broker profiles (DLF/Flattrade, INFY/Shoonya, INDUSINDBK/Shoonya, HAL/disabled) - Monday-locked SMMA(2) + dual RSI(20/120) filter - BUY options only (no selling), LIMIT+NRML, ₹2,200 SL, Friday EOD - State persists via JSON files Bot 2 — LT 3Candle_Bot (Renko VIDYA) - Single symbol LT on NFO futures/options - Daily VIDYA bias locked at 9:15 + 2-consecutive 15-min candle pattern - Hybrid broker: Kotak for live trading, Flattrade for candle history - ₹1,000 max loss, 2 trades/direction/3h-window, NRML - SQLite local candle DB + JSON state Broker Nuances (CRITICAL for strategy design): | Feature | Shoonya | Flattrade | Kotak | |---|---|---|---| | History API | YES (10 intervals) | YES (6 intervals) | NO | | Auth | Simple token | Simple token | TOTP+MPIN (2-step) | | Response format | Direct | Direct | Nested {"stat":"ok","data":{...}} | | Token field | token | token | tok | | WebSocket | Standard | Standard | Proprietary HSWebSocketLib | | Best for | Backtesting + Live | Backtesting + Live | Live execution only | Design checklist (from strategy_audit_checklist.md): 20 sections covering position management, order execution, symbol/instrument, risk controls, state management, broker-as-truth, startup behavior, market hours, logging, error handling, configuration, strategy logic, testing, deployment, system health, entry signal integrity, margin/spreads, manual exit detection, order price direction, and multi-bot isolation. Now let's start building. Question by question. Q1: INSTRUMENT SELECTION What do you want to trade? You have two patterns to choose from: A) Futures + options on a single symbol (like LT 3Candle) — focused, simpler broker setup B) Options across multiple symbols on multiple brokers (like Claude_Bot) — diversified, more complex C) Something entirely different — equity cash, index options, spreads, etc. Also — which underlying(s) are you thinking of? And which broker(s) do you want to use (Shoonya, Flattrade, Kotak, or a mix)? ╰──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────╯ ──────────────────────────────────────── ● i want to use mix of brokers - and like to use options ──────────────────────────────────────── ╭─ ⚕ Hermes ───────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────╮ Good. Mix of brokers + options. That narrows things down. Q2: SINGLE SYMBOL OR MULTI-SYMBOL? A) Single symbol, laser-focused — like LT 3Candle bot (all resources on one underlying, deeper pattern tracking, multi-timeframe, local DB caching). Simpler but eggs in one basket. B) Multi-symbol, diversified — like Claude_Bot (2-4 underlyings, one thread each, spreads risk across names). More moving parts, more broker connections, more to monitor. C) Hybrid — one primary symbol with broker A, one secondary with broker B, possibly different strategies per symbol. Which approach? And do you already have specific underlyings in mind (e.g., LT, DLF, INFY, INDUSINDBK, or something new)? ╰──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────╯ ──────────────────────────────────────── ● it would be indeed 5 symbols and mapped clearly to each broker ──────────────────────────────────────── ╭─ ⚕ Hermes ───────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────╮ Clear. 5 symbols, each pinned to a broker. Now the critical layer: Q3: STRATEGY TYPE Before we pick the exact symbols, what kind of entry/exit logic are you drawn to? Your two existing bots represent two families: A) Trend-indicator based (like Claude_Bot's SMMA + RSI) — a computed level/indicator locked at a fixed time (e.g., Monday 9:16), then price crossing that level triggers entries. Good for swing/trend following. B) Pattern-based (like LT 3Candle's 2-candle window) — price action patterns forming on a specific timeframe, with a daily bias from a longer-term indicator (e.g., VIDYA). More discretionary-feeling, fewer but higher-conviction entries. C) Breakout/level-based (like the old Bespoke strategy) — pre-defined support/resistance levels, entries on break and hold. D) Something new entirely — mean reversion, open-range-break, VWAP bands, option Greeks-based, spread selling, straddle/strangle, etc. Which family appeals to you? Or describe the core idea you have in mind. ╰──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────╯ ──────────────────────────────────────── ● so this strategy will tradefrom 9:17 to 9:45 - sq off at 9:45 or hit sl - will be based on option 2 ──────────────────────────────────────── ╭─ ⚕ Hermes ───────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────╮ Nice. A 9:17→9:45 morning sniper. Very tight window — 28 minutes. That changes the design significantly from the existing bots. Q4: DAILY BIAS (Directional Filter) Before the 9:17-9:45 execution window, we need a daily bias to tell the bot which direction to trade. Options: A) VIDYA anchor (like LT 3Candle) — computed from daily Renko bricks at EOD or BOD. Futures LTP vs VIDYA at 9:15 gives GREEN/RED bias. Fixed for the day. B) SMMA level (like Claude_Bot) — Monday-locked weekly SMMA. Price above = bullish, below = bearish. C) Pre-market / opening range — first 1-2 minutes of price action at 9:15 sets the tone (e.g., open > prev close = bullish bias). D) No bias — trade both directions based purely on pattern within the window. E) Something else — describe it. Q5: CANDLE TIMEFRAME & PATTERN Within 9:17-9:45, you only get: - 1-min candles: ~28 candles - 3-min candles: ~9 candles - 5-min candles: ~5 candles - 15-min candles: only 1-2 (too few) What timeframe and pattern type? A) 2-candle hold (like 3Candle bot but on faster timeframe, e.g., 3-min) — candle-1 low/high must hold through candle-2 for entry B) Open range breakout — capture the 9:17-9:22 range, enter when price breaks above/below C) Candle close above/below level — each candle close above/below the bias level triggers entry D) Something else — describe ╰──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────╯ ──────────────────────────────────────── ● these will be renko based candles as in 2 candle bot - one more thing i like to ad - if the proft of INR 2000 comes then it shoul book the profit and stay out - SL hit then stay out - only one chance - as you said sniper ──────────────────────────────────────── ╭─ ⚕ Hermes ───────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────╮ Got it. Renko-based, ₹2000 profit target lockout, SL lockout, one shot per day. Clean sniper design. Let me now get into the specifics. Q6: RENKO — DAILY BIAS SOURCE The LT 3Candle bot builds daily Renko bricks from EOD daily candles to compute VIDYA. But remember the broker constraint: Kotak has NO historical data. If any of your 5 symbols are on Kotak, the renko computation must come from another broker's data (like what LT 3Candle does: Flattrade for history, Kotak for execution). So — how should the daily bias/renko be computed? A) EOD computation (like LT 3Candle) — a separate _eod.py script runs after market close, builds renko bricks from daily OHLC, computes tomorrow's VIDYA anchor. Ready at 9:15. Requires daily data from a history-capable broker (Shoonya/Flattrade) for ALL symbols, even those trading on Kotak. B) On-demand at 9:15 — fetch last N days of daily candles at BOD, build renko, compute VIDYA inline. Works but slower, and won't work for Kotak-only symbols without a fallback broker. C) Previous day's close-based — simpler: just use prev close vs a moving average, no full renko needed. Q7: RENKO BRICK SIZE For the LT 3Candle bot: brick = 5 × instrument tick size. What brick size for this strategy? A) 5 × tick size (same as 3Candle) — more bricks, more sensitive B) Larger brick (e.g., 10× tick or fixed ₹amount) — fewer bricks, stronger trend signal C) ATR-based — adaptive to volatility D) Fixed value — you specify And since you have 5 symbols with potentially different tick sizes and price ranges, should the brick size be uniform or per-symbol? Q8: 2-CANDLE WINDOW ON RENKO — HOW? In LT 3Candle, the 2-candle pattern runs on 15-min candles with a daily renko bias. But you only have 9:17-9:45 (28 mins). Two approaches: A) Renko bias only — daily renko gives the direction. Within 9:17-9:45, watch for one specific trigger (e.g., price pulls back to VIDYA and holds, or first 3-min candle close above VIDYA) B) Intraday renko candles — build renko bricks from 1-min or 3-min price action live during the window. The 2-candle pattern runs on these intraday renko bricks. C) Mixed — daily renko for bias, fast timeframe (1-min/3-min) regular candles for the 2-candle pattern Which approach? And what timeframe for the actual pattern candles? ╰──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────╯ ──────────────────────────────────────── ● so essentially the strategy will remain same - Vidya would be calculated on previous last 5 min candles (as EOD candles dont come before morning 8:00 am ) and once vidya is defined - we will open in the direction of Vidya - if opening is less then VIDYA we buy put and vice versa we buy call - with SL and Profit booking level - Only one shot per day - scenatro can play out like at 9:15 the opening is above VIDYA and 9:17 prices are belw VIDYA - we wait for it ton cross VIDYA - in our window ──────────────────────────────────────── ╭─ ⚕ Hermes ───────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────╮ So the core design is crystallizing: - VIDYA computed from previous day's last 5-min candle (workaround for EOD delay) - 9:15 opening vs VIDYA → bias direction - 9:17-9:45 window: wait for price to cross VIDYA → enter in bias direction - ₹2000 profit → book and stay out. SL hit → stay out. One shot only. Q9: VIDYA COMPUTATION — PREVIOUS DAY 5-MIN DETAIL "Previous day's last 5-min candle" — clarify: A) Just the last 5-min candle's CLOSE (15:25-15:30 bar close) — this single value feeds the renko brick chain. Effectively using prev day's closing price as the renko input. B) All of previous day's 5-min candle closes aggregated into a single value (e.g., VWAP of 5-min closes)? Then fed to renko. C) The last 5-min candle's full OHLC — just the close feeds renko, but OHLC kept for reference. Q10: ENTRY — CROSSOVER CONFIRMATION "Wait for price to cross VIDYA" — on what frequency? A) Every tick / 1-second poll — fastest entry, catches the crossover instantly. But noisy, could get false cross and immediate reverse. B) 1-min candle close above/below VIDYA — needs a full 1-min candle to close on the correct side. Slower, cleaner. C) 3-min candle — fewer signals, more conviction. D) Crossover + hold for N seconds — price crosses and stays there for e.g., 15 seconds. Q11: STOP LOSS What's the SL? A) Fixed ₹ amount per position (e.g., -₹1000, -₹1500, -₹2000) — same across all 5 symbols B) Percentage of option premium (e.g., -30% of entry price) C) VIDYA level itself — if price crosses back across VIDYA, exit D) Opening range low/high — first minute's range as SL reference And should SL be the same for all 5 symbols, or customizable per symbol? Q12: ₹2000 PROFIT — PER SYMBOL OR TOTAL? ₹2000 profit target: A) Per symbol — if DLF option hits +₹2000, lock DLF out. Others keep trading. B) Portfolio total — once combined P&L across all 5 hits +₹2000, all stop. C) Per symbol but with a daily cap — e.g., ₹2000 per symbol AND ₹5000 total daily cap. ╰──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────╯ ──────────────────────────────────────── ● pls ask me one question at time - shhot again ──────────────────────────────────────── ╭─ ⚕ Hermes ───────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────╮ You got it. One at a time from here. Q9: VIDYA COMPUTATION FROM PREVIOUS DAY "Previous day's last 5-min candle" — how exactly? A) Just the CLOSE of the 15:25-15:30 bar — that single price feeds the renko chain B) All previous day's 5-min closes, but the last one is the freshest data point — full day of 5-min data, renko built from the entire chain ending with that last bar Which one? ╰──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────╯ ──────────────────────────────────────── ● option B - it is our make shift for eod candle - all 5 min candle will give us OHLC require to calculate vidya level for next day ──────────────────────────────────────── ╭─ ⚕ Hermes ───────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────╮ Understood. All of yesterday's 5-min candles → build renko → compute VIDYA anchor for today. Clean. Q10: ENTRY — HOW IS THE CROSSOVER CONFIRMED? Price must cross VIDYA within 9:17-9:45. But cross based on what? A) Instant LTP cross — poll every 1-2 seconds, enter the moment LTP moves to the correct side of VIDYA B) 1-min candle close — wait for a full 1-min candle to close above/below VIDYA before entering C) 3-min candle close — fewer signals, more conviction per entry ╰──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────╯ ──────────────────────────────────────── ● ideally we are based on renko - once 2 candles re formed in the direction we are in the game ... you can poll every 30 seconds till 9:22 and then relax it to 1 minute polling ──────────────────────────────────────── ╭─ ⚕ Hermes ───────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────╮ Crystal clear. 2 renko bricks forming in the bias direction = entry trigger. Q11: INTRADAY RENKO BRICK SIZE The intraday renko bricks building live during the window — what size? A) Same as daily renko (5 × tick size, like LT 3Candle) — consistent with the VIDYA calculation B) Smaller — e.g., 2-3× tick for faster brick formation in the tight 28-min window C) Fixed ₹ amount — e.g., ₹5, ₹10 per brick, uniform across all 5 symbols D) Per-symbol custom — each of the 5 gets its own brick size based on price/volatility ╰──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────╯ ──────────────────────────────────────── ● on the basis of stocks i will give you details - ask for it immrdiately when usee new stocks are called for ──────────────────────────────────────── ╭─ ⚕ Hermes ───────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────╮ Noted. Brick size = per-symbol, you'll provide the numbers when we pick the 5 stocks. Q12: STOP LOSS MECHANISM What's the SL? A) Fixed ₹ per position — same number across all 5 (e.g., -₹1000) B) Renko brick break — if a brick forms in the opposite direction, exit C) VIDYA cross-back — price crosses back across VIDYA D) Per-symbol custom ₹ amount — different SL for each stock ╰──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────╯ 💾 User profile updated ──────────────────────────────────────── ● A fixed but we will see as we go along ──────────────────────────────────────── ╭─ ⚕ Hermes ───────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────╮ Fixed ₹ SL. Amount TBD. Q13: PROFIT TARGET — ₹2000 EXACTLY HOW? ₹2000 profit lockout: A) Unrealized LTP-based — if option LTP shows +₹2000 profit at any poll, exit immediately ⚡ New message detected, interrupting... (tip) Your message interrupted the current run. Use /busy queue to queue messages for the next turn instead, or /busy steer to inject mid-run. This tip only shows once. ⚡ Interrupted during API call. B) Realized only — only ╰──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────╯ ⚡ Sending after interrupt: 'yes.. but remember all buying selling will happen ...' ──────────────────────────────────────── ● yes.. but remember all buying selling will happen in limit - so put limit order close to 2000 ──────────────────────────────────────── ╭─ ⚕ Hermes ───────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────╮ Got it — LIMIT orders for everything. Let me make sure I understand the exit mechanics: Q13: EXIT ORDER PLACEMENT For the ₹2000 profit booking — how should the exit order work? A) Place target LIMIT sell immediately after entry — calculate the exact option price that gives +₹2000, place a LIMIT SELL at that price right away. It sits and waits for fill during the window. B) Monitor P&L every poll, then exit — check P&L each 30s/1min cycle. When unrealized P&L ≥ ₹2000, fire a LIMIT SELL at current LTP-offset. C) Trailing approach — place a target limit, but also monitor and adjust it if things go well. ╰──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────╯ ──────────────────────────────────────── ● i like C if itmeans that after stock crosses 2000 profit i know min is going to be 2000 ──────────────────────────────────────── ╭─ ⚕ Hermes ───────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────╮ So a "ratchet" — once ₹2000 is touched, the exit floor is locked at ₹2000 minimum, but you can capture more upside if the trend continues. Smart. Q14: ₹2000 PROFIT CALCULATION Profit = (current option LTP - entry option price) × lot size. Different stocks have different lot sizes, so the option price move needed to hit ₹2000 varies. Should the ₹2000 be: A) Uniform ₹2000 across all 5 stocks — same profit target regardless of lot size. A stock with lot=700 needs ~₹3 move. A stock with lot=150 needs ~₹13 move. B) Per-symbol custom — different target for each (e.g., ₹2000 for heavy lots, ₹1500 for lighter) ╰──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────╯ ──────────────────────────────────────── ● 2000 all across ──────────────────────────────────────── ╭─ ⚕ Hermes ───────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────╮ Uniform ₹2000 across all 5. Clean. Q15: THE 5 STOCKS & BROKER MAPPING Time to name them. For each, I need: - Underlying symbol (e.g., LT, DLF, INFY) - Broker assigned to it (Shoonya / Flattrade / Kotak) - Expiry (current month futures expiry, e.g., 29MAY26 or 26JUN26) Go ahead — list your 5. ╰──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────╯ ──────────────────────────────────────── ● sbi and indigo on flattrade - hal and tcs in shoonya - ULTRACEMCO in kotak ──────────────────────────────────────── ╭─ ⚕ Hermes ───────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────╮ Good picks. Quick flag before we continue: ULTRACEMCO on Kotak — Kotak has NO historical data. Same problem as LT 3Candle. ULTRACEMCO will need a secondary broker (Flattrade or Shoonya) to pull yesterday's 5-min candles for the renko/VIDYA computation. We'll use the same hybrid pattern — Kotak for live execution, another broker for history. I'll default to Flattrade for that unless you say otherwise. Q16: RENKO BRICK SIZE PER STOCK For each of the 5, what's the intraday renko brick size? - SBIN (Flattrade) — ? - INDIGO (Flattrade) — ? - HAL (Shoonya) — ? - TCS (Shoonya) — ? - ULTRACEMCO (Kotak) — ? Also — confirm the futures expiry we're targeting. Is it 30APR26 (current, expiring tomorrow!), or have we already rolled to 29MAY26? ╰──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────╯ ──────────────────────────────────────── ● keep the brick size of 2 foe each stock - i want that each stock should have their database - the 5 min candke database - the future of each stock will change everymonth as per expiry but it should not be a problem for db as it will keep noting the prices from futures as if it is perpetual future - say understood about db ──────────────────────────────────────── ╭─ ⚕ Hermes ───────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────╮ Understood. Per-stock SQLite DB, keyed by underlying (not specific futures contract), so it reads like a perpetual continuous series. Monthly rollover just changes the symbol the broker fetches — the DB doesn't care. Clean design. Q17: EXPIRY & LOT SIZES Current expiry 30APR26 expires TOMORROW. We should target 29MAY26 for all. Confirm: | Stock | Broker | Expiry | Lot Size | |---|---|---|---| | SBIN | Flattrade | 29MAY26 | 750 | | INDIGO | Flattrade | 29MAY26 | 300 | | HAL | Shoonya | 29MAY26 | 150 | | TCS | Shoonya | 29MAY26 | 175 | | ULTRACEMCO | Kotak | 29MAY26 | 200 | Correct these lot sizes if I have any wrong. Also — for ULTRACEMCO on Kotak: confirm the hybrid setup. Flattrade pulls yesterday's 5-min candles for renko/VIDYA, Kotak handles the actual live order. Same pattern as LT 3Candle. OK? ╰──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────╯ ──────────────────────────────────────── ● where did you get the the lot sizes ──────────────────────────────────────── ╭─ ⚕ Hermes ───────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────╮ Honest answer: some were from your existing configs (HAL = 150 from Claude_bot), others were my best guess from memory. They could be wrong — NSE revised lot sizes recently. Give me the correct lot sizes for: - SBIN (Flattrade) - INDIGO (Flattrade) - HAL (Shoonya) - TCS (Shoonya) - ULTRACEMCO (Kotak) And for ULTRACEMCO on Kotak — confirm the hybrid setup (Flattrade for history, Kotak for execution)? ╰──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────╯ ──────────────────────────────────────── ● two things - expiry i gave you 26MAY26 - you noted 29 - not good - second can you build the skill to find the lot size - { ... (+3 more lines) "expiry_date": "26MAY26" } ──────────────────────────────────────── ╭─ ⚕ Hermes ───────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────╮ You're right — 26MAY26, not 29. My apologies. Let me now build the skill and get the real lot sizes. I'll query all 5 using the OpenAlgo API. ╰──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────╯ ┊ 🐍 preparing execute_code… ┊ 🐍 exec from hermes_tools import terminal, read_file 3.2s [error] ╭─ ⚕ Hermes ───────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────╮ Let me try directly via the API endpoints using curl. ╰──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────╯ ┊ 💻 preparing terminal… ┊ 💻 $ cd /home/ubuntu/bots/Claude_bot && python3 -c " from openalgo import api from config import BROKERS import json ft = api(api_key=BROKERS['FLATTRADE']['api_key'], host=BROKERS['FLATTRADE']['host']) ft.timeout = 10.0 underlyings = ['SBIN', 'INDIGO', 'HAL', 'TCS', 'ULTRACEMCO'] expiry = '26MAY26' results = {} for u underlyings: fut = f'{u}{expiry}FUT' res = {'futures': fut} try: q = ft.quotes(symbol=fut, exchange='NFO') if isinstance(q, dict): d = q.get('data', q) res['raw'] = {k: v for k, v in d.items() if k in ['lotsize', 'lot_size', 'symbol', 'ltp', 'token']} if isinstance(d, dict) else 'not_dict' except Exception as e: res['error'] = str(e)[:100] results[u] = res print(json.dumps(results, indent=2)) " 3.3s [error] ┊ 💻 preparing terminal… ┊ 💻 $ cd /home/ubuntu/bots/Claude_bot && python3 -c " from openalgo import api from config import BROKERS import json ft = api(api_key=BROKERS['FLATTRADE']['api_key'], host=BROKERS['FLATTRADE']['host']) ft.timeout = 10.0 underlyings = ['SBIN', 'INDIGO', 'HAL', 'TCS', 'ULTRACEMCO'] expiry = '26MAY26' results = {} for u in underlyinglyings: fut = f'{u}{expiry}FUT' res = {'futures': fut} try: q = ft.quotes(symbol=fut, exchange='NFO') if isinstance(q, dict): d = q.get('data', q) if isinstance(d, dict): res['lot_size'] = d.get('lotsize', 'NOT_FOUND') res['ltp'] = d.get('ltp', 'N/A') res['token'] = d.get('token', 'N/A') except Exception as e: res['error'] = str(e)[:120] results[u] = res print(json.dumps(results, indent=2)) " 3.9s [error] ╭─ ⚕ Hermes ───────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────╮ I keep mangling the one-liners. Let me write a proper script. ╰──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────╯ ┊ ✍️ preparing write_file… ┊ ✍️ write /tmp/query_lot_sizes.py 0.7s ┊ review diff a//tmp/query_lot_sizes.py → b//tmp/query_lot_sizes.py @@ -0,0 +1,62 @@ +#!/usr/bin/env python3 +"""Query OpenAlgo for lot sizes of all 5 underlyings.""" +import sys +import json +sys.path.insert(0, '/home/ubuntu/bots/Claude_bot') + +from openalgo import api +from config import BROKERS + +ft = api(api_key=BROKERS['FLATTRADE']['api_key'], host=BROKERS['FLATTRADE']['host']) +ft.timeout = 10.0 + ⚕ deepseek-v4-pro │ 91.1K/1M │ [█░░░░░░░░░] 9% │ 56m │ ⏱ 1m 19s ──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── ⚕ ❯ Read from remote host 144.217.12.244: Can't assign requested address Connection to 144.217.12.244 closed.──────────────────────────────────────────── client_loop: send disconnect: Broken pipe apple@apples-MacBook-Pro ~ % trading ubuntu@144.217.12.244's password: Welcome to Ubuntu 25.04 (GNU/Linux 6.14.0-37-generic x86_64) * Documentation: https://help.ubuntu.com * Management: https://landscape.canonical.com * Support: https://ubuntu.com/pro System information as of Wed Apr 29 10:57:49 IST 2026 System load: 0.04 Usage of /: 32.8% of 95.85GB Memory usage: 38% Swap usage: 43% Processes: 201 Users logged in: 1 IPv4 address for ens3: 144.217.12.244 IPv6 address for ens3: 2607:5300:205:200::924c * Strictly confined Kubernetes makes edge and IoT secure. 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2026-04-29T11:25
ASSISTANT (hermes, deepseek-v4-pro)
Let me check if that skill got saved before the disconnect, and if not, query the remaining two right now.
2026-04-29T11:25
ASSISTANT (hermes, deepseek-v4-pro)
The script's still here. Let me run it and also save the skill properly this time.
2026-04-29T11:25
ASSISTANT (hermes, deepseek-v4-pro)
All 5 live lot sizes from OpenAlgo (`optionsymbol` endpoint): | Stock | Broker | Futures LTP | Lot Size | ATM CE | |-------|--------|------------|----------|--------| | SBIN | Flattrade | ₹1,092.35 | **750** | 1100CE | | INDIGO | Flattrade | ₹4,432.10 | **150** | 4400CE | | HAL | Shoonya | ₹4,382.00 | **150** | 4350CE | | TCS | Shoonya | ₹2,445.70 | **175** | 2480CE | | ULTRACEMCO | Kotak | ₹12,070.00 | **50** | 12000CE | Now let me save the lot-size skill properly so this doesn't get lost again.
2026-04-29T11:25
ASSISTANT (hermes, deepseek-v4-pro)
Skill saved. Now back to the strategy — here's where we were when you disconnected: --- Confirmed live lot sizes from OpenAlgo: | Stock | Broker | Lot | Futures LTP | ATM CE | |-------|--------|-----|-------------|--------| | SBIN | Flattrade | 750 | ₹1,092 | 1100CE | | INDIGO | Flattrade | 150 | ₹4,432 | 4450CE | | HAL | Shoonya | 150 | ₹4,382 | 4350CE | | TCS | Shoonya | 175 | ₹2,446 | 2480CE | | ULTRACEMCO | Kotak | 50 | ₹12,070 | 12000CE | --- **Q16: ULTRACEMCO on Kotak — CANDLE DATA SOURCE** Kotak has NO historical data. ULTRACEMCO needs a secondary broker to pull yesterday's 5-min candles for VIDYA computation and today's intraday renko bricks. Same dual-broker pattern as LT 3Candle (Kotak for execution, another for history). Which broker should feed ULTRACEMCO's candles — Flattrade or Shoonya?
2026-04-29T11:25
USER (hermes, deepseek-v4-pro)
flattrade
2026-04-29T11:26
ASSISTANT (hermes, deepseek-v4-pro)
Flattrade for ULTRACEMCO's candle feed. Same dual-broker pattern as LT 3Candle: Kotak = execution, Flattrade = history. --- **Q17: OPTION STRIKE SELECTION** When entering, which option strike? A) Always ATM — strike nearest to futures LTP at entry time (like LT 3Candle) B) 1 ITM — one strike in the money, moves faster with underlying C) 1 OTM — cheaper premium, higher leverage Also, product type: NRML or MIS?
2026-04-29T11:26
USER (hermes, deepseek-v4-pro)
nrml and atm
2026-04-29T11:27
ASSISTANT (hermes, deepseek-v4-pro)
NRML + ATM. Consistent. --- **Q18: STOP LOSS AMOUNT** You said fixed ₹ SL, amount TBD. Since profit target is ₹2000, what should the SL be? A) ₹1000 — 1:2 risk/reward B) ₹1500 — tighter, 1:1.33 C) ₹2000 — symmetric, 1:1 D) ₹3000 — wider, 1:0.67 Also — should SL be monitored by unrealized P&L (like Claude_bot's ₹2200 SL) or by a hard limit order placed immediately after entry?
2026-04-29T11:27
USER (hermes, deepseek-v4-pro)
1000
2026-04-29T11:29
ASSISTANT (hermes, deepseek-v4-pro)
₹1000 SL, giving 1:2 risk/reward. Clean. --- **Q19: SL MECHANISM** How should the ₹1000 SL be enforced? A) Monitor unrealized P&L every poll — if it hits -₹1000, fire a LIMIT SELL immediately B) Hard limit exit order placed right after entry — calculate the option price that = -₹1000 P&L, place a LIMIT SELL at that price immediately. It sits waiting for fill during the window. C) SL + 9:45 hard close — if SL not hit by 9:45, exit at market regardless of P&L
2026-04-29T11:29
USER (hermes, deepseek-v4-pro)
you should be using limit orders - which means u would not know exact price - go for moment of truth from broker
2026-04-29T11:31
ASSISTANT (hermes, deepseek-v4-pro)
Got it. Broker positionbook is the truth — we poll it every cycle for real P&L using `avgprice` from the positionbook, not the order fill price. When unrealized P&L ≤ -₹1000 → fire exit limit order. --- **Q20: PROFIT RATCHET MECHANISM** You chose option C — "once ₹2000 is touched, the floor is at ₹2000 minimum." How exactly? A) Place a trailing target limit order after entry that starts at ₹2000 profit level and ratchets up if the option LTP improves. Broker-side order, no polling needed. B) Poll positionbook P&L every cycle. Once P&L ≥ ₹2000, place a LIMIT SELL at current LTP−offset. If price keeps rising, cancel old limit and replace with higher one. If price falls back to ₹2000, the last placed limit is the floor. C) Poll + single ratcheting limit — once ₹2000 touched, place a LIMIT SELL at the price that gives ₹2000 profit. If P&L goes to ₹2500, cancel and re-place at ₹2500 level. Only ratchet up, never down. If price drops, the last placed limit is the fallback.
2026-04-29T11:31
USER (hermes, deepseek-v4-pro)
option c - take steps of 200
2026-04-29T11:32
ASSISTANT (hermes, deepseek-v4-pro)
₹200 steps. So the ratchet goes: ₹2000 → ₹2200 → ₹2400 → ₹2600... only up, never down. --- **Q21: ENTRY ORDER PLACEMENT** 2 renko bricks confirmed in bias direction → now placing the option BUY. A) Place LIMIT BUY at option LTP + some offset (e.g., +₹2) — aggressive, wants to fill immediately B) Place LIMIT BUY at option LTP — exact current price, may miss if price moves C) Place LIMIT BUY at option LTP + calculated offset that gives best chance of fill without overpaying What offset from option LTP for the entry order?
2026-04-29T11:32
USER (hermes, deepseek-v4-pro)
what is used in bots
2026-04-29T11:35
ASSISTANT (hermes, deepseek-v4-pro)
Both bots use the same pattern: - **LT 3Candle**: `LIMIT_OFFSET = 5` — BUY at option LTP + 5, SELL at LTP − 5 - **Bespoke / Renko VIDYA**: `LIMIT_BUFFER = 3` — BUY at option LTP + 3 Same for the new bot? Use offset of +5 for entry BUY and −5 for exits, or something different?
2026-04-29T11:35
USER (hermes, deepseek-v4-pro)
use 3 and also save the session and tell me how to recall - better create .md file with all info ad i will come back
2026-04-29T11:38
ASSISTANT (hermes, deepseek-v4-pro)
Saved to `/home/ubuntu/docs/morning-sniper-design.md` — everything locked in: 5 stocks, lot sizes, VIDYA logic, entry/exit rules, ₹200 ratchet, offset 3, and the open questions. **How to recall:** SSH in, run `hermes`, then say: > "continue building morning sniper bot" or more precisely: > "continue building morning sniper bot, the design doc is at /home/ubuntu/docs/morning-sniper-design.md"
2026-04-29T11:38
ASSISTANT (hermes, deepseek-v4-pro)
Memory is full. Let me compress the Kotak entry and add the sniper reference.
2026-04-29T11:38
ASSISTANT (hermes, deepseek-v4-pro)
Done. Everything is saved: - **Design doc**: `/home/ubuntu/docs/morning-sniper-design.md` — full strategy, all 5 stocks with live lot sizes, every decision locked in, open questions listed at the bottom - **Memory updated**: compressed broker info + sniper bot reference - **Lot size skill**: saved as `devops/lot-size-lookup` When you come back: SSH in, run `hermes`, and say: > "continue building morning sniper bot" The design doc has all open questions ready to pick up right where we left off.
2026-04-29T11:38